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chris
18-02-2008, 06:15 PM
I am interested in reading up on the true origins and effects of the NWO in Yugoslavia and Kosovo...Alex Jones was talking about it yesterday on his show and seemed really interesting.

It's hard to find anything that goes further than the official line...Anyone got any links?

Thanks:D

umbrex
18-02-2008, 07:18 PM
I am interested in reading up on the true origins and effects of the NWO in Yugoslavia and Kosovo...Alex Jones was talking about it yesterday on his show and seemed really interesting.

It's hard to find anything that goes further than the official line...Anyone got any links?

Thanks:D

wasn't yugoslavia the place where the pope had the "silent" holocaust during the 2nd world war ?! maybe a good place to start.

pri01
18-02-2008, 08:04 PM
wasn't yugoslavia the place where the pope had the "silent" holocaust during the 2nd world war ?! maybe a good place to start.

I wanted to travel to Yugoslavia back in the 80's, it was a very popular tourist destination. Is it now called Croatia?

bicycle
18-02-2008, 08:13 PM
Try googling Beograd (Belgrade)

edit
18-02-2008, 08:15 PM
...od vardara do triglava
Leb i Sol - Aber dojde Donke 1978 Леб и Сол - Абер дојде Донке - YouTube

irak
18-02-2008, 08:15 PM
..no yugoslavia was a massive state consisting of slovenia, croatia, bosnia and herzegovina, serbia, montenegro, macedonia, and the latest country - kosovo.

http://www.marxists.org/subject/yugoslavia/index.htm

..here some info on yugoslavia http://www.marxists.org/subject/yugoslavia/index.htm

..classic cult of personality!
..if you have any questions ask away! I'll be happy to answer..

hutanic
18-02-2008, 08:17 PM
There is so much history about Balkan, but my suggestion is don't listen to Alex Jones on that matter since he really has no clue. Listened to him yesterday and it was astonishing how clueless he is about this.

If you want ask something and perhaps i can answer or dig something up, but don't know any site i could point you towards for more research.

stalin
18-02-2008, 08:23 PM
I wanted to travel to Yugoslavia back in the 80's, it was a very popular tourist destination. Is it now called Croatia?

Yugoslavia used to be a federal republic made of: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Serbia (main religions: Christians and Muslims) etc. In the 90s there was an ethnic war, the country broke. I think it was all organised, it was a repetition before the same could happen in Russia. Now Christian Serbia (their language is very close to Russian) has (used to have :cool:) a province - Muslim Kosovo (ethnic Albanians). Now Kosovo declared independence and again I see similarities like Chechnya and Russia.

pri01
18-02-2008, 08:24 PM
The seven countries that were once part of Yugoslavia are Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Slovenia and Kosovo. ...

edit
18-02-2008, 08:40 PM
Macedonian song - More sokol pie
03:32
Old Macedonian Folksong
More Sokol Pie -
song lyrics in Macedonian language:

More sokol pie,
Voda na Vardaro,
More sokol pie,
Voda na Vardaro.

Jane, Jane le belo grlo
Jane, Jane le krotko jagne.

More oj sokole,
Ti junacko pile.
More neli vide,
Junak da pomine,

Jane, Jane le belo grlo
Jane, Jane le krotko jagne.

Junak da pomine,
S'devet luti rani
S'devet luti rani,
Site kursumlii

Jane, Jane le belo grlo
Jane, Jane le krotko jagne.

A desetta rana,
So noz probodena.
A desetta rana,
So noz probodena.

Jane, Jane le belo grlo
Jane, Jane le krotko jagne.

Translation

The falcon drinks water from the Vardar.
Oh Jana, white-throated Jana.
O falcon, hero's bird, Have you not seen a hero go past?
A hero goes past with nine angry wounds?
Nine angry wounds, all from bullets.
And a tenth wound, stabbed with a knife.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UG4n7aGRak&feature=PlayList&p=A00318724F1E4D4F&index=3
...od vardara do triglava
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lJsWEBZstc&feature=relatedEleno Mome (Macedonian Folk Song) - YouTube
Troy.... (http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:uFsMKFMAeWAJ:www.trojanenchantment-novel.com/troymotherofallheroiccities.htm+Yugoslavia%3F+in+t royan+war&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=nl)..in a time-loop ..together with the ch-lam\c sacrifice and the WWII
she was able to fulfill her lifelong dream of visiting the Troad.

Trojan Enchantment is for her. Have fun reading it in Paradise, Louise!

* * * *

The Trojan War depicted in Greek mythology, was the war between the Greeks and the people of Troy. The Trojan War probably reflected a real war (c.1200 B.C.) between the invading Greeks and the people of Troas, possibly over control of trade through the Dardanelles.

Troy is the ancient city made famous by Homer's account of the Trojan War. It is also called Ilion or, in Latin, Ilium. Its site is accepted as the mound now named Hissarlik, in the Asian part of Turkey, c.4 mi (6.4 km) from the mouth of the Dardanelles.

Based upon intuition as well as information he received from Frank Calvert, who was the American Consul at the Dardanelles, Heinrich Schliemann, a German amateur archaeologist, conducted excavations there beginning in 1871. Nine successive cities or villages have occupied the site, the earliest dating from the Neolithic period. Excavations conducted by Wilhelm Drpfeld in the 1890s indicated that the sixth stratum, representing the sixth settlement of the city, was the Homeric Troy. Later discoveries by the Univ. of Cincinnati expedition under C. W. Blegen indicated that the seventh level was the Troy of Homer's period.

The Troy of the Trojan War-era was a Phrygian city and the center of a region known as Troas. In vase-paintings and other Greek art, the Phrygian cap serves to identify the Trojan hero Paris as non-Greek; Roman poets habitually use the epithet "Phrygian" to mean Trojan. The culture of the Trojans dates from the Bronze Age.

Persian king Xerxes, preparing to conquer the Greeks in 480 B.C., came to Troy to pay homage to its fallen heroes, and claimed that his reason for invading Greece was to right the wrongs inflicted upon the Trojans.

One hundred and fifty years after the Persian invasion, Alexander the Great paid homage to Troy, raising it to the status of a polis and made its cult of Athena fashionable. In time Ilium rose high enough to be considered an heir of Athens, if not superior to Athens.

Later, the Romans, believing that they themselves were descendants of Prince Aeneas and other Trojans, favored the city. Julius Caesar traced his own lineage back to Aeneas. And as far as the British were concerned, they came up with a Brutus, related to Aeneas, who fled Rome for Britain, leading the last of the Trojans to the island he called Britain after his own name. Yet another claim was made: Brutus, descendant of Ilius (founder of Troy), founded London as Troyvonant or New Troy.

Touring the area in the 4th Century, Emperor Constantine considered shifting his capital to Ilium. He tried to found his new capital at the mouth of the Hellespont on the western coast of the Sigeum (today, Yenishehir) ridge. But because it lacked a natural port, he later transferred it to Byzantium Constantinopolis (Constantinople).

Balkan people also claimed ties with Troy; citing that at the time of the Trojan War, near 1,200 BC., Troy occupied the length of Yugoslavias Adriatic coast and off-shore islands, between Sibenik Bay in the north and Boka Kotorska in the south, and extended inland, along the valley of the Neretva river, perhaps as far as Sarajevo (what today are roughly, if you will, the republics of Croatia and Bosnia). Troy of the Iliad was but one of the three cities belonging to Troy, and that the names Illyria (historic name of Albania) and their hero Dardan, harkened to the Roman Dardanus and Ilium.

In the 15th Century, the Ottoman Turks took the Trojans to heart. Sultan Mehmet II, Conqueror of Constantinople, visited what he believed was the site of ancient Troy, in 1462, and paid his respects at the tombs of the heroes Achilles, Hector and Ajax. It is to me, he is quoted to have declared, that Allah has given to avenge this city and its people.

Also, according to some European scholars, the name Turk, Turkey, came from the Trojan general Turkus, who, after the end of the war fled to Asia. His descendants the Turks, returned later to avenge the fall of Troy, reconquered and then spread throughout Europe. (Source: James Harper, Rome vs. Istanbul: Competing Claims and the Moral Value of Trojan Heritage)

Flash-forward to the 20th Century, and Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, Founder of the modern Republic of Turkey, spoke of his affinity for Troy and its heroes, and believed that contemporary Turks were the descendants of Troy.

Ahhh, and lets not forget Lord Byron! In 1810, Byron recreated Leander's swim across the Hellespont today known as the Dardanelles. In Greek Mythology, Hero was a priestess of Aphrodite and lived in Sestos while Leander lived in Abydos on the other side of the Hellespont. Leander swam nightly to see Hero and she would hold a torch, from atop a tower, to light his way. One night, during a violent storm Leander drowned. After seeing his death, Hero threw herself from the tower into the sea. The same legend is repeated in a slightly different form, about a love-struck tragic pair and a light house called Maiden Tower, in the Sea of Marmara, overlooking the shores of Istanbul.

Oh yes the core of our universal human heart is so deeply romantic.

Until 1995, however, there was not enough evidence to ascertain or even speculate about the language of Troy. Then, the first linguistic clue about the identity of its inhabitants came to light: a seal dating anywhere from 1280-1175 B.C., a seal inscribed in the hieroglyphic script of the Hittites. This suggested that the cultural roots of the inhabitants of the citadel were Anatolian. According to linguists, this script was used for monumental stone inscriptions in the Luvian language of ancient Anatolia, harkening to the Hittite civilization.

edit
18-02-2008, 08:45 PM
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Depleted Uranium:
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ps. but... whos karma was yu, i wonder...?

pri01
18-02-2008, 10:12 PM
Yugoslavia used to be a federal republic made of: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Serbia (main religions: Christians and Muslims) etc. In the 90s there was an ethnic war, the country broke. I think it was all organised, it was a repetition before the same could happen in Russia. Now Christian Serbia (their language is very close to Russian) has (used to have :cool:) a province - Muslim Kosovo (ethnic Albanians). Now Kosovo declared independence and again I see similarities like Chechnya and Russia.


Thanks Stalin, I am going to Croatia this May with work, and I can't wait. I hope there are no political problems to stop it.

drakul
18-02-2008, 10:35 PM
Chris - A few sites for Serbia and Serbian history -


http://www.serbianna.com/


Jascenovac - WWII concentration camp for Orthodox Serbs in Nazi Croatia - 700,000 Serbs died there -

http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2006/12/jasenovac-whitewashing.html


Pravda Forum -lots of current news and discussion on Russia, Serbia, etc -

http://engforum.pravda.ru/forumdisplay.php3?forumid=2

drakul
18-02-2008, 10:40 PM
Also David Icke does a very good job in THE BIGGEST SECRET - analyzing how the Illuminati plotted and schemed to cause the Yugo civil war in 1990's and breakup the country: Vatican + (Nazi) Germany + Zionism = Cocktail Made in Hell.

umbrex
19-02-2008, 12:06 AM
lol, i was videogoogling for a good night movie, and guess what's 4th on the movers and shakers list in new zealand ? :)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6980751398015745064&q=the+death+of+yugoslavia&total=97&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

drakul
19-02-2008, 12:07 AM
EDIT - thanks for the post on Troy - it's a source of great interest for me. Funny how everyone wants a piece of the action - but on the LOSERS side. Everyone identifies with the TROJANS and not the colorful and victorious Greeks - the founders of Western civiliation. WHY?

The article didn't mention the FRENCH also claim THEIR lineage be directly traced to Troy - through PARIS who is said to have carried his father the old king on his shoulders all the way to France where they founded Paris.

The Serbs also have ancient songs which claim that THEY fought with the Trojans.

It always struck me as hippocritical that when NATO was bombing Serbia in 1999 over the so-called `Serbian genocide of Albanians in Kosovo' (which was later proven by occupying NATO troops who dug up the bodies to be UNTRUE) - the Western media used to make a mockery of Serbian reverence for the Battle of Kosovo in 1389 in which the Serbs faced the might of the Ottoman Empire alone. Over 60,000 Serbs were killed in that battle and the Kingdom of Serbia was lost to the Muslim Turks for 500 years. But the Serbs came back! After 500 years they won their independence from the Turks, they never forgot, never gave up - someday they would win and be free again. For Serbs to Remember Kosovo it's like saying - Remember them. Remember the Heroes who gave their lives!

Indeed - the US always has similar battlecries like: `Remember the Alamo', `Remember Pearl Harbor', etc for the battles or actions that the US lost.

irak
19-02-2008, 01:07 AM
Thanks Stalin, I am going to Croatia this May with work, and I can't wait. I hope there are no political problems to stop it.


..going to zagreb?

..don't worry mate croatia is hundreds of km far from kosovo :)

..related to yugoslavia, funny thing is that slovenia is now presiding the european union while kosovo has just gained independance( unemployment is over 50% there) ..and to think that only 18 years ago it was the same country hehe :)

..oh and i found this if you ever had any doubt whose fingers were in the creation of yugoslavia: http://www.arhiv.sv.gov.yu/Amerib.jpg

armoured saint
19-02-2008, 05:16 AM
...od vardara do triglava
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lJsWEBZstc&feature=related

Hmmm. I wonder which "Macedonia" you are referring to?

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=rJX-shN9fgo:D

edit
19-02-2008, 05:33 AM
Hmmm. I wonder which "Macedonia" you are referring to?

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=rJX-shN9fgo:D

The (Friendly) Great (World's) Hen River

Iranian / Persian Girl Names in English and Farsi- [ DonyAnAz ]دنیا, DonyA /DoniA (A), World. دنیاناز, DonyAnAz, Glory of the world ...... شهرناو, ShahrbAnou, Name of a Persian princess (Yazdgerd IIIs's daughter and ...
cleo.lcs.psu.edu/girl_names.html

Mahyar mah : great , yar : friend . mahyar means great friend (in pahlavi language it was mehyar)
Donya: World (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Persian_given_names_(2))

edit
19-02-2008, 05:43 AM
Egg- [ hen's egg ]The anatomy of a hen's egg shows a wonderful analogy with the stages in comic evolution and ... Brahmanda (Sanskrit) (from Brahma cosmic spirit + anda egg) ...
www.experiencefestival.com/egg

Egg come first or Hen : egg, hen, first- [ different DNA sequence ]I think the egg came first because when a bird which is ancestor of hen had laid an egg,wherin the embryo in egg contains a different DNA sequence other ...
www.experts-exchange.com/Other/Puzzles_Riddles/Q_21807482.html

http://history.nasa.gov/NP-119/p24.jpg
Living and Working in Space: Life Sciences (http://history.nasa.gov/NP-119/ch2.htm)

armoured saint
19-02-2008, 05:53 AM
Now now. Don't veer off the topic, dear. LOL:p

mara
26-01-2010, 04:23 PM
The seven countries that were once part of Yugoslavia are Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Slovenia and Kosovo. ...


Yugoslavia had 6 republics: Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Slovenia and Montenegro. Serbia had 2 provinces: Vojvodina and Kosovo and Metohija. Kosovo was never a country before.

whitewolf
26-01-2010, 05:22 PM
I am interested in reading up on the true origins and effects of the NWO in Yugoslavia and Kosovo...Alex Jones was talking about it yesterday on his show and seemed really interesting.

It's hard to find anything that goes further than the official line...Anyone got any links?

Thanks:D

Robin de Ruiter writes about the real reasons for the war in Yugoslavia in his book, Worldwide Evil and Misery; The Legacy of the 13 Satanic Bloodlines.

http://www.mayrapublications.nl/index.php?paginaid=78

Well worth a read, packed full of info.

I read it last year and the book is at home right now, I can only remember a few bits. The UN for the first time became an offensive army and it was to rectify a mistake made by Eisenhower.
He also writes about the truth of what happened to Milosovic, using facts supplied to him by Milosovic's lawyers.

Excuse me for being vague :o the book will give you the info you're after.

hadabusa
26-01-2010, 05:50 PM
ask me, i know a bit about this.:)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

heres a start

mara
26-01-2010, 06:05 PM
http://www.mayrapublications.nl/index.php?paginaid=78



Thanks, looks interesting:)

rydeon
26-01-2010, 06:50 PM
I am interested in reading up on the true origins and effects of the NWO in Yugoslavia and Kosovo...Alex Jones was talking about it yesterday on his show and seemed really interesting.

It's hard to find anything that goes further than the official line...Anyone got any links?

Thanks:D

I know some good friends out in Serbia.
Some want the EU / NWO for the jobs and travel visa situation, others know they lose what's left of their sovereign powers by doing so.
They also know that, apart from Russia, most of Euroland supported them losing Kosovo.
Go on facebook, you'll find a lot of Serbs on there.

I advise you brush up on your Cryillic alphabet, slav languages.
As they don't usually speak as much english compared to other euro-countries.

d9d9d9
26-01-2010, 06:58 PM
Death of Yugoslavia documentary is excelent place to start. Rampant Serbian nationalisam and their cold blooded and calculated masive genocide against civilian population of Croatia, Bosnia, etc is well documented ( from 1990 till 1999).

d9d9d9
26-01-2010, 07:08 PM
David Icke in Croatia (Zagreb, 2009) :

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=406&pictureid=3770


David Icke - Interview in Zagreb, Croatia 2009 (video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu2Ox4YBh_s



;)

d9d9d9
26-01-2010, 07:12 PM
I advise you brush up on your Cryillic alphabet, slav languages.
As they don't usually speak as much english compared to other euro-countries.

Not true (from my experience in Croatia).

1) Croats don't use Cyrillic Alphabet, only Serbs do.

2) Most Croats speak fluent English, some speak even German and French. Great people and very friendly country.

mara
26-01-2010, 07:46 PM
Death of Yugoslavia documentary is excelent place to start. Rampant Serbian nationalisam and their cold blooded and calculated masive genocide against civilian population of Croatia, Bosnia, etc is well documented ( from 1990 till 1999).

You're completely brainwashed and also sound like a Croat nationalist.
I don't say that you are Croat, but you where there and they told you the 'truth' :rolleyes:

Cold blooded massive genocide where on both sides. You should inform yourself about military action called Oluja ('Storm'), which replaced and killed more that 100.000 Serbs from Krajina (part of Croatia) and 'cleaned' the new-born Croatian country from Serbs.

Also, there are many 'hospital' on Kosovo where Albanian Mengles where cutting out organs from Serbs who lived in Kosovo sell them worldwide. For many years, a protected zone of Kosovo by UN (and now independent country) is places for drug and human trafficking.

mara
26-01-2010, 07:50 PM
Not true (from my experience in Croatia).

1) Croats don't use Cyrillic Alphabet, only Serbs do.

2) Most Croats speak fluent English, some speak even German and French. Great people and very friendly country.

Serbs, Russian, Macedonians, Bulgarians and some other Slavs use Cyrillic Alphabet. And she was talking about Serbs, which makes her statement correct.
Talking about English many Serbs speak fluently English. But maybe you bumped on some that don't :)

d9d9d9
26-01-2010, 08:38 PM
You're completely brainwashed and also sound like .... Get a life... Or even better, get a brain. You sound like a Milosevic' propaganda troll machine, lol.

mara
26-01-2010, 09:14 PM
Get a life... Or even better, get a brain. You sound like a Milosevic' propaganda troll machine, lol.

I have nothing to do with Milosevic you idiot. Not all Serbs were for Milosevic :rolleyes: But you are too dumb to understand more than few brainwashing words that you heard on CNN. Or was it BBC?

I saw people dying while you were meeting wonderful Croat people.
You must be also thinking that poor Israelis has been killed by Palestinians. Because CNN told you that.

Anyway, how stupid one can be to compare tourist experience with somebody's war experience. And to claim to know the truth. Very very stupid indeed.

I suggest you to go to Palestina, Iran or some other war field and to share with them your most profound wisdom like 'get a life'.

d9d9d9
26-01-2010, 09:31 PM
... you idiot. .. But you are too dumb ...
.. etc. Charming languague, how very intellectual and civilised of you. Let me guess... you're Serb? Troll, you don't have a single clue where I've been and what I've seen, so please stop assuming and mind your manners.

mara
26-01-2010, 09:53 PM
From your previous post I got the feeling that I should use only simple and plain language for you.
Intellectual language I will leave for intellectual people.
I always adjust to a level of the person that I speake to.

So did you get laid?

How was the landscape?

Did you buy some postcards?

Oh, I'm sending you the one from my neighbourhood.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/76750831_c75b62a8bf.jpg


Somebody who trolls serious topic (destruction of the country, illuminati agenda, NATO bombing of innocent people...) with personal nonsense and brainless life is calling me a troll. :rolleyes:

d9d9d9
26-01-2010, 10:30 PM
Omg, lol ...you would be funny if only you're not so obnoctious. Picture of your "neighbourhood"... Give me a break :rolleyes: Serbs bulldozed through ex Yugoslavia ( 1990 - 1999) leaving nothing but the trail of death and destruction behind them... Are you saying it was justified? For what... Greater Serbia? Are you proud of what your countrymen did?

entrangermercenary
27-01-2010, 12:35 AM
I have nothing to do with Milosevic you idiot. Not all Serbs were for Milosevic :rolleyes: But you are too dumb to understand more than few brainwashing words that you heard on CNN. Or was it BBC?

I saw people dying while you were meeting wonderful Croat people.
You must be also thinking that poor Israelis has been killed by Palestinians. Because CNN told you that.

Anyway, how stupid one can be to compare tourist experience with somebody's war experience. And to claim to know the truth. Very very stupid indeed.

I suggest you to go to Palestina, Iran or some other war field and to share with them your most profound wisdom like 'get a life'.


I cant remember many Serbs protesting 1992/1994 when the war was going well for the Serbian people :eek:

I don't really want to get involved in this with you Mara but lets keep the facts straight eh. Lots of killing on both sides, but if you would like to see who was prepared for war with armour/aircraft. 4x4s and plenty of weapons , there are plenty of u tube clips ;)

drakul
27-01-2010, 02:18 AM
Robin de Ruiter writes about the real reasons for the war in Yugoslavia in his book, Worldwide Evil and Misery; The Legacy of the 13 Satanic Bloodlines.

http://www.mayrapublications.nl/index.php?paginaid=78

Well worth a read, packed full of info.

I read it last year and the book is at home right now, I can only remember a few bits. The UN for the first time became an offensive army and it was to rectify a mistake made by Eisenhower.
He also writes about the truth of what happened to Milosovic, using facts supplied to him by Milosovic's lawyers.

Excuse me for being vague :o the book will give you the info you're after.

Thanks for posting this, I would like to read it.

I don't see that the Serbs did anything wrong. They were trying to keep the country together, while the Great Powers/Illuminati did what they have always done in the Balkans and Europe - divide and conquer. Imagine what Yugoslavia would be today if it had stayed together. It would be a powerhouse. A shame.

NATO ganging up on Serbia and bombing that little country so the Muslim Albanians could take Kosovo was just unbelieveable. Hey the Jews are taking Palestine and our oil barons have taken Iraq but look all you Muslims, we are punishing those evil Serbs and giving you Europe! - Bosnia and Kosovo as majority Muslim for starters.

entrangermercenary
27-01-2010, 10:27 AM
Thanks for posting this, I would like to read it.

I don't see that the Serbs did anything wrong. They were trying to keep the country together, while the Great Powers/Illuminati did what they have always done in the Balkans and Europe - divide and conquer. Imagine what Yugoslavia would be today if it had stayed together. It would be a powerhouse. A shame.

NATO ganging up on Serbia and bombing that little country so the Muslim Albanians could take Kosovo was just unbelieveable. Hey the Jews are taking Palestine and our oil barons have taken Iraq but look all you Muslims, we are punishing those evil Serbs and giving you Europe! - Bosnia and Kosovo as majority Muslim for starters.

I'm struggling to remember Slovenian tanks rolling into Belgrade :rolleyes:

janhus
27-01-2010, 11:16 AM
Funny thing is what happened after the war. Talking about Croatia.

Everything was privatised, ruined and then sold to foreign companies. Pharmaceutical industry, Oil industry, Banks, Communications and how things are going so far, Postal service and Rails

It was all legaly stolen from people and sold to foreign companies. Only ones who had profit from that were people at the top and ones loyal to them.

Zeitgeist Addendum talks about simmilar things.

father ted
27-01-2010, 11:23 AM
I am interested in reading up on the true origins and effects of the NWO in Yugoslavia and Kosovo...Alex Jones was talking about it yesterday on his show and seemed really interesting.

It's hard to find anything that goes further than the official line...Anyone got any links?

Thanks:D

You might have heard about this, but here it is:
http://www.piramidasunca.ba/en/index.php/Latest-news/

whitewolf
27-01-2010, 11:46 AM
Robin de Ruiter writes about the real reasons for the war in Yugoslavia in his book, Worldwide Evil and Misery; The Legacy of the 13 Satanic Bloodlines.

http://www.mayrapublications.nl/index.php?paginaid=78

Well worth a read, packed full of info.

I read it last year and the book is at home right now, I can only remember a few bits. The UN for the first time became an offensive army and it was to rectify a mistake made by Eisenhower.
He also writes about the truth of what happened to Milosovic, using facts supplied to him by Milosovic's lawyers.

Excuse me for being vague :o the book will give you the info you're after.

I had a quick re read last night, I have to correct myself first, it was not the UN but NATO that became an offensive army for the first time.

Part 1; Basically the land formaly known as Yugoslavia is of great importance geopolitically, it is geographically the gateway between Europe and Asia. The long term plan is to run oil pipelines from the Caspian sea oilfields into Europe. They (who?) want to control the whole show from extraction to enduser. General Eisenhower made a strategic mistake when the US backed Tito's rise to power.

Part 2 to follow
Sorry folks, I want to get it right for you so have to go home and check Mr de Ruiters research.

drakul
27-01-2010, 12:47 PM
Funny thing is what happened after the war. Talking about Croatia.

Everything was privatised, ruined and then sold to foreign companies. Pharmaceutical industry, Oil industry, Banks, Communications and how things are going so far, Postal service and Rails

It was all legaly stolen from people and sold to foreign companies. Only ones who had profit from that were people at the top and ones loyal to them.

Zeitgeist Addendum talks about simmilar things.

Of course the Illuminati vulture companies were circling around Serbia and did the same thing after Milosevich was kidnapped to the Hague. The country was absolutely defenseless and in tatters.

whitewolf
27-01-2010, 02:24 PM
Part 2;
The attack on Yugoslavia was the first act of war with which NATO transformed itself from a defense army into an intervention force.

Horst Gravert, former ambassador of the German Federal republic sums it up;
'Jugoslavia had served as camouflage designed to hide the actual intentions of the United States, to move one step further towards establishing the New World Order'

Zbigniew Brzezinski made the following remark with regard to the war in Yugoslavia'
' Above all, Europe is the inevitable geopolitical bridgehead on the Eurasian continent. The global energy consumption will increase enormously in the next two or three decades. It is a well known fact Central Asia and the Caspian Basin hold natural gas and oil reserves that dwarf those in Kuwait, the Gulf of Mexico and the North Sea'

Yugoslavia is situated at the crossroads of three important European transport routes; the Danube, the North-South link and the East-West link. In the future these corridors will be used to transport gas and oil to the West. Control over global oil supplies (Caucasus, Asia, Caspian sea etc.) will be transported via these corridors and via energy connections 8/10, which have been planned to cross Croatia, Serbia, Macedonia and Albania, this was the real reason behind the Balkans war. The Balkans is one of the key areas needed build the intended New World Order. Behind the repeated NATO interventions in the Balkans there are strategic plans for the whole of Europe. Yugoslavia served as a test case and the final concrete step by the NATO armies towards its planned expansion in Central and Eastern Europe.

Control of energy was not the only reason behind the war in Yugoslavia. Former Minister for Defense in Germany, Willy Wimmer, who during the NATO attacks on Yugoslavia, was the vice chairman of the Parliamentary Dept of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) He stated, 'The war against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has also been carried out to rectify a strategic mistake made by General Eisenhower in the second World War'

Geopolitical interests of the U.S. were the real reason behind the NATO's attack on Yugoslavia. Wimmer referred to statements made by high-level officials in the U.S. administration during a conference that took place in Bratislavia at the end of April 2000. The meeting was organised by U.S. State Dept and the U.s.. Enterprise Institute (AEI)

Sorry folks I can't type any more, I have stuff to do, but you get the picture. All the above was taken from the Robin de Ruiters book I've mentioned before, it's a tome that should be read by every conspiracy theorist, imho. There's plenty more on this subject and many others, actually it's very comprehensive.

whitewolf
27-01-2010, 02:28 PM
Part 2;

Yugoslavia is situated at the crossroads of three important European transport routes; the Danube, the North-South link and the East-West link. In the future these corridors will be used to transport gas and oil to the West. Control over global oil supplies (Caucasus, Asia, Caspian sea etc.) will be transported via these corridors and via energy connections 8/10, which have been planned to cross Croatia, Serbia, Macedonia and Albania, this was the real reason behind the Balkans war. The Balkans is one of the key areas needed build the intended New World Order. Behind the repeated NATO interventions in the Balkans there are strategic plans for the whole of Europe. Yugoslavia served as a test case and the final concrete step by the NATO armies towards its planned expansion in Central and Eastern Europe.

.

I quoted myself :confused::p but I have to add that the (engineered) current economic crises in Greece is, IMHO, all part of the above mentioned agenda. Thessaloniki (second largest city in Greece) is tipped to become the economic centre of the Balkans. Of course the NWO need Greece's total subservience, and the Greeks aren't famed for that!

whitewolf
27-01-2010, 05:25 PM
I'm bumping this because my long post above took bloody ages to type and I'd like some of you to read it, cos it's a part of the agenda that seems to be overlooked.

Thanks :)

hadabusa
27-01-2010, 06:14 PM
Death of Yugoslavia documentary is excelent place to start. Rampant Serbian nationalisam and their cold blooded and calculated masive genocide against civilian population of Croatia, Bosnia, etc is well documented ( from 1990 till 1999).

yeah,right.
serbs bad cop.

:rolleyes:

jasenovac, that was rampant nationalism,smartass.

you heard about the jasenovac "resort"?


bold faced liar.

hadabusa
27-01-2010, 06:16 PM
I know some good friends out in Serbia.
Some want the EU / NWO for the jobs and travel visa situation, others know they lose what's left of their sovereign powers by doing so.
They also know that, apart from Russia, most of Euroland supported them losing Kosovo.
Go on facebook, you'll find a lot of Serbs on there.

I advise you brush up on your Cryillic alphabet, slav languages.
As they don't usually speak as much english compared to other euro-countries.

they are smart enough2know who attacked them.not eu ppl,not usa ppl.
they know it was the zionist clinton administration.

angelthecat
27-01-2010, 06:24 PM
try torrents for
"the pictures that fooled the world"
you will find it interesting what channel 4 reporters did to make people think that they had concentration camps

hadabusa
27-01-2010, 06:27 PM
Not true (from my experience in Croatia).

1) Croats don't use Cyrillic Alphabet, only Serbs do.

2) Most Croats speak fluent English, some speak even German and French. Great people and very friendly country.

well, he didnt mention croats,sherlock:rolleyes:

off course croats speak german.
there was a time when german was kind off the national language.ya know , when croats were hitlers allies.

mara
27-01-2010, 06:31 PM
I'm bumping this because my long post above took bloody ages to type and I'd like some of you to read it, cos it's a part of the agenda that seems to be overlooked.

Thanks :)

Greek bro, I bumped the whole topic because I wanted to speak about agenda too. Instead of understanding the whole picture, some of posters where fixed on nationalism, not realizing the people where forced to kill each other, that situation was complete madness and that all leaders are part of the same CIA/NWO plan :rolleyes:

d9d9d9
27-01-2010, 06:33 PM
well, he didnt mention croats,sherlock:rolleyes:

off course croats speak german.
there was a time when german was kind off the national language.ya know , when croats were hitlers allies.
Here we go... Another Serbian nationalist who's full of shite. This is 2010 dude, stop living in the past. By the way Serbian Chetniks were hitler's allies too, so what's your point?

hadabusa
27-01-2010, 06:36 PM
From your previous post I got the feeling that I should use only simple and plain language for you.
Intellectual language I will leave for intellectual people.
I always adjust to a level of the person that I speake to.

So did you get laid?

How was the landscape?

Did you buy some postcards?

Oh, I'm sending you the one from my neighbourhood.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/76750831_c75b62a8bf.jpg


Somebody who trolls serious topic (destruction of the country, illuminati agenda, NATO bombing of innocent people...) with personal nonsense and brainless life is calling me a troll. :rolleyes:

jeli to generalstab?

entrangermercenary
27-01-2010, 06:37 PM
yeah,right.
serbs bad cop.

:rolleyes:

jasenovac, that was rampant nationalism,smartass.

you heard about the jasenovac "resort"?


bold faced liar.

Me and you have done this before Hada so Ill let you get on with it :)

hadabusa
27-01-2010, 06:43 PM
I cant remember many Serbs protesting 1992/1994 when the war was going well for the Serbian people :eek:

I don't really want to get involved in this with you Mara but lets keep the facts straight eh. Lots of killing on both sides, but if you would like to see who was prepared for war with armour/aircraft. 4x4s and plenty of weapons , there are plenty of u tube clips ;)
merc,you know i love you.

but its natural serbs had the military edge, they had best access to army inventar.

and kosovo wasnt serbian aggression , most ppl know by now.

and you gotta view the other pov, how did "opposition/separatists(from jugoslav pov)" get armed decently within very short time(before america officially"cared")

?

hadabusa
27-01-2010, 06:45 PM
Funny thing is what happened after the war. Talking about Croatia.

Everything was privatised, ruined and then sold to foreign companies. Pharmaceutical industry, Oil industry, Banks, Communications and how things are going so far, Postal service and Rails

It was all legaly stolen from people and sold to foreign companies. Only ones who had profit from that were people at the top and ones loyal to them.

Zeitgeist Addendum talks about simmilar things.

suprised?

chomsky said it early,itsa war about economic reforms.

:)

hadabusa
27-01-2010, 06:48 PM
Here we go... Another Serbian nationalist who's full of shite. This is 2010 dude, stop living in the past. By the way Serbian Chetniks were hitler's allies too, so what's your point?

who said im sympatetic towards cetniks?

im no serb either,btw.

yeah,lets forget jasenovac, its 2010:rolleyes:

hadabusa
27-01-2010, 06:52 PM
Me and you have done this before Hada so Ill let you get on with it :)

a true gentleman:cool:

i dont know if you know , but jasenovac is an ww2 matter.

its important to know imo,in order to understand what followed.

no hard feelings,man, we know were capable of friendly dialogue.

entrangermercenary
27-01-2010, 07:01 PM
merc,you know i love you.

but its natural serbs had the military edge, they had best access to army inventar.

and kosovo wasnt serbian aggression , most ppl know by now.

and you gotta view the other pov, how did "opposition/separatists(from jugoslav pov)" get armed decently within very short time(before america officially"cared")

?

I already told you that the 1st weapons shipment came from Argentina with the help Of French intelligence. But that was really small arms , couple of bofors. It took a couple of years to get the kit to launch operation storm ie armour and aircraft it didn't just happen overnight !!

Find the link should be easy for you ;) Anto Roso, Ante gotovina, Bruno zorica (capitain zulu)) and Mljienco Filipovic. Oh and me :D

hadabusa
27-01-2010, 07:07 PM
I already told you that the 1st weapons shipment came from Argentina with the help Of French intelligence. But that was really small arms , couple of bofors. It took a couple of years to get the kit to launch operation storm ie armour and aircraft it didn't just happen overnight !!

Find the link should be easy for you ;) Anto Roso, Ante gotovina, Bruno zorica (capitain zulu)) and Mljienco Filipovic. Oh and me :D

yes,i know


im suprised the french did that.
argentina was to be expected, obviously.

entrangermercenary
27-01-2010, 07:18 PM
What do you think . A new conflict ??

http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=article&articleid=15705

d9d9d9
27-01-2010, 07:26 PM
im no serb either,btw.


Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

hadabusa
28-01-2010, 05:50 AM
What do you think . A new conflict ??

http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=article&articleid=15705

dodik isa loudmouth.

i say no.

drakul
28-01-2010, 12:38 PM
Little Croatia flapping its wings and cawing warnings at the Bosnian Serbs as if it had not done the very same thing - seceded from `the union' which was once Yugoslavia. Now the Croatians are threatening to do the very same thing the Serbs did - fight to keep the union together. ONLY because Croatia has the backing of the Great Powers, especially Vatican. And THEN Croatia ethnically cleansed itself of the Serbian minority in Krajina who were forced to flee to Serbia in NATO backed Operation Storm. If Croatians wanted to leave the Union, and Croatian Serbs wanted to stay with Yugoslavia in Krajina where they WERE the majority, why shouldn't they have been allowed to do that. Nooooo Croatians are going to get ALL of so-called newly delineated `Croatia'.

The whole agenda is to keep the Serbs DOWN. To make the Serbs weak and keep them that way. To Keep the Serbs from uniting while biting off chunks of land for the benefit of so-called ethnic minorities yearning to breathe free; by giving Serbian Kosovo to the Albanians thus creating a Greater Albania, etc.

Why shouldn't Bosnian Serbs unite with Serbia? Bosnia is an artificial union created by the Great Illuminati Powers. It was never ever a country or even meant to be. Meanwhile all the other little groups are getting what they want. Let the Serbs be together instead of forcing them into submission with the Jihadi Muslims of `Bosnia'.

Will someone please tell me why all these so-called, (Great Power created) `ETHNIC' Croatians and Bosnians speak SERBIAN???

Maybe because they are simply converted Serbs manipulated by the Vatican (`Croats') and Mecca (`Bosnians').

janhus
29-01-2010, 11:57 AM
Little Croatia flapping its wings and cawing warnings at the Bosnian Serbs as if it had not done the very same thing - seceded from `the union' which was once Yugoslavia. Now the Croatians are threatening to do the very same thing the Serbs did - fight to keep the union together. ONLY because Croatia has the backing of the Great Powers, especially Vatican. And THEN Croatia ethnically cleansed itself of the Serbian minority in Krajina who were forced to flee to Serbia in NATO backed Operation Storm. If Croatians wanted to leave the Union, and Croatian Serbs wanted to stay with Yugoslavia in Krajina where they WERE the majority, why shouldn't they have been allowed to do that. Nooooo Croatians are going to get ALL of so-called newly delineated `Croatia'.

The whole agenda is to keep the Serbs DOWN. To make the Serbs weak and keep them that way. To Keep the Serbs from uniting while biting off chunks of land for the benefit of so-called ethnic minorities yearning to breathe free; by giving Serbian Kosovo to the Albanians thus creating a Greater Albania, etc.

Why shouldn't Bosnian Serbs unite with Serbia? Bosnia is an artificial union created by the Great Illuminati Powers. It was never ever a country or even meant to be. Meanwhile all the other little groups are getting what they want. Let the Serbs be together instead of forcing them into submission with the Jihadi Muslims of `Bosnia'.

Will someone please tell me why all these so-called, (Great Power created) `ETHNIC' Croatians and Bosnians speak SERBIAN???

Maybe because they are simply converted Serbs manipulated by the Vatican (`Croats') and Mecca (`Bosnians').

You sound like extreme Serbian (chetnik/četnik). It's same as Croatian or any other extremists. For you there is only one side of the story, and that's Serbian side. People like you are being easily manipulated by nationalist and religious propaganda.

Maybe because they are simply converted Serbs manipulated by the Vatican (`Croats') and Mecca (`Bosnians').

This total propaganda bullshit. In Croatia, Ustashe (Croatian extremists) tell a different story. That Serbs are converted Croats manipulated by Orthodox curch and Russia. :)

In 1990., Serbs in Krajina were told that Independent State of Croatia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ideology is rising and that Croats will do Jasenovac concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia all over again

On other side, Croats were told that Serbs are preparing attack on Croatia to form the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Serbia

In Montenegro, they told people that over 30000 ustasha troops in Dubrovnik armed to teeth are ready to kill all that's not Croatian... there were about 300 local defenders :)

That is typical manipulation through propaganda.

drakul
29-01-2010, 04:53 PM
You sound like extreme Serbian (chetnik/četnik). It's same as Croatian or any other extremists. For you there is only one side of the story, and that's Serbian side. People like you are being easily manipulated by nationalist and religious propaganda.

Typical tactic - Dismiss anyone who takes the Serbian side is an extremist, a chetnik??? What about David Icke - is he a Chetnik???

Here is a short excerpt from what Icke says about the disintegration of Yugoslavia in The Biggest Secret Pgs 272-273 entitled: The (UN) Peacekeepers:

When Brotherhood organizations use a word in their name, the invariably mean the opposite. Henry Kissinger goes around the world talking peace and yet when he leaves all hell often breaks out. His company, Kissinger Assoc was heavily involved in starting the Bosnian War WHICH HAS MOVED THE WORLD CLOSER TO A GLOBAL ARMY under NATO control.

This is a constant theme, start the war and then negotiate the `peace' to suit your agenda...this is an example of the techniques used to change the world by making wars and deciding what happens as a result of them. Problem-reaction-solution...Bosnia and stage two - Kosovo


This total propaganda bullshit. In Croatia, Ustashe (Croatian extremists) tell a different story. That Serbs are converted Croats manipulated by Orthodox curch and Russia. :)

You seem very familiar with Croatian propaganda - I wonder why?

So why do Croats AND Bosnians all speak Serbian?

In 1990., Serbs in Krajina were told that NDH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_State_of_Croatia) ideology is rising and that Croats will do Jasenovac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp) all over again

Serbs wanted to stay with the Union. They were majority in Krajina. Yugo was breaking up, why could not Krajina Serbs be allowed to stay with the Union?

All the screaming and ranting and raving the world media did about how Serbs were ethnically cleansing `Bosnians' (read Serbs converted to Islam) and Croats. The media was screaming something has got to be done about this! Yet what did the Croats do? Forced all the Serbs to flee Krajina with little more than the clothes on their backs during NATO-backed `Operation Storm' . And the media did not condemn this mass ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Croatia, did not even care, because it was what the Great Powers, including VATICAN wanted.

Same thing in Kosovo - 200,000 Serbs were ethnically cleansed by Muslim Albanians from Kosovo AFTER NATO moved in. Did NATO care? Noooo because that was the agenda from the beginning.

hadabusa
29-01-2010, 06:32 PM
You sound like extreme Serbian (chetnik/?etnik). It's same as Croatian or any other extremists. For you there is only one side of the story, and that's Serbian side. People like you are being easily manipulated by nationalist and religious propaganda.



This total propaganda bullshit. In Croatia, Ustashe (Croatian extremists) tell a different story. That Serbs are converted Croats manipulated by Orthodox curch and Russia. :)

In 1990., Serbs in Krajina were told that NDH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_State_of_Croatia) ideology is rising and that Croats will do Jasenovac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp) all over again

On other side, Croats were told that Serbs are preparing attack on Croatia to form the Greater Serbia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Serbia)

In Montenegro, they told people that over 30000 ustasha troops in Dubrovnik armed to teeth are ready to kill all that's not Croatian... there were about 300 local defenders :)

That is typical manipulation through propaganda.

ma daj,ne seri.

you obviously dont know what ppl in montenegro are about.its ALL about family, blood vendetta rather then nationalism, family is the highest institution there, i was born there, most family is there, so dont pretend you know alot about the region there.
theresa reason why montenegro didnt fall for the propaganda.
and montenegro is very very hard to conquer/invade anyway, and not worth invading, theres next2nothing2gain.



cetniks were the royal troops originally,at some time even nazi collaborateurs, the label is outdated, insulting and laughable.
dont label drakul a cetniks, that person absolutelly isnt one.
even if serbs wave the cccc coat,its these who want a monarchy back, its safe2say this wont happen anytime soon.

the ustasa,tough, theyre a 100% nazi invention and the assholes waving U flags, are exactly that, neonazis. youre being lenient here, merely labeling them just extremists.

uhh, krajina did end bad4serbs after all,didnt it?

yes, it was clear, when parliament and unity were disabled, everyone knew thered be war everywhere.

off course, every state wanted2get as much land as possible,.



and yes, there was serbs first, croats gained national identity when?
granted by whom?

case closed.

the war was fukin stupid, by all sides,no doubt.

ohwell, atleast it looks like there will be ceasefire(rather then peace) for a while.
thats until the kosovo question eventually leads2next clash(i hope not) and/or muslims demand croatian parts of land(mark my word on this).

its fairplay by drakul, he atleast is objective and doesnt lie.
its a drop in the ocean compared to the western msm propaganda assault that did lie,use sensationalism and was overall ridicolously biased.

so, give drakul a break, hes honest and atleast HERE ppl can see both sides of story, most are resistent2 one sided pr, dont worry.

croats are historically notorious sellouts and it never did them well.
a foking good example how much sellouts they are is when partizans conquered(empty,lol)zagreb and the croats(ww2 im talking here)SERIOUSLY tought the british would re-arm them(nazis bitches untill that day,no joke)at bleiburg.
un-foking-believeable.

they got instant karma instead, by their very own tito.


im perfectly fine with the current situation btw, jugoslavia was prone2fail from the very beginning, used as pufferzone.

entrangermercenary
29-01-2010, 08:27 PM
im perfectly fine with the current situation btw, jugoslavia was prone2fail from the very beginning, used as pufferzone.

I must say I never met any homos when I was out there HADA :D

janhus
30-01-2010, 10:32 AM
Typical tactic - Dismiss anyone who takes the Serbian side is an extremist, a chetnik??? What about David Icke - is he a Chetnik???

sorry if i offended you

So why do Croats AND Bosnians all speak Serbian?
:)
In my opinion it is all one language (Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro)

But you can't say that Croats speak Serbian. Not for the Croats in Croatia or in Bosnia. There is Croatian language and that is a fact. No matter how old it is, it's real.

Serbs wanted to stay with the Union. They were majority in Krajina. Yugo was breaking up, why could not Krajina Serbs be allowed to stay with the Union?

One simple reason. Croatian borders were guarantied by SFRJ constitution, Krajina borders were not. Even Kosovo and Vojvodina have legal borders and right to become independent.

All the screaming and ranting and raving the world media did about how Serbs were ethnically cleansing `Bosnians' (read Serbs converted to Islam) and Croats.

Again, Bosnians are not only serbians who were converted. And truth is that Serbian units under Ratko Mladić did horrible things to muslims in bosnia (Croats too, but not in that big numbers). Not that they are only ones to blame, but they did kill most of muslims there.
I have a friend who was in war from the beginning to the end, and he said that there were actions like SERBS AND CROATS AGAINST MUSLIMS, CROATS AND MUSLIMS AGAINST SERBS AND MUSLIMS AND SERBS AGAINST CROATS.
That is true face of that war.

The media was screaming something has got to be done about this! Yet what did the Croats do? Forced all the Serbs to flee Krajina with little more than the clothes on their backs during NATO-backed `Operation Storm' . And the media did not condemn this mass ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Croatia, did not even care, because it was what the Great Powers, including VATICAN wanted.

This was cooked by Franjo Tuđman and Slobodan Miloević. Tuđman wanted ethnically clean state with Croats only, and Miloević knew that he is over with war in Croatia, and needed more Serbs in Bosina and back in Serbia, so he was good with it.

Thing is that propaganda did it's part. I know that Gojko uak (minister of difence in Croatia in 1991) personally fired grenades from OSA launcher on serbian houses in Borovo naselje to provoke people. Tomislav Merčep did his part with scarring serbs with killings and obductions.
I also know that one serbian reporter said that he found 40 slaughtered kids in school in Vukovar. That was on prime time news all over serbia, and people were furious. Later he admitted that he LIED about it. (PURE PROPAGANDA)

Our governments did their job to piss people off so they can have their war, and opportunity to get money and power. And thats what they did.

Problem today is that lots of people find that war sacred and any thing that could stain it makes them aggressive.

janhus
30-01-2010, 11:04 AM
ma daj,ne seri.
ne serem ;)

you obviously dont know what ppl in montenegro are about.its ALL about family, blood vendetta rather then nationalism, family is the highest institution there, i was born there, most family is there, so dont pretend you know alot about the region there.

Don't generalize. Thats is one of the problems. Not all people in Montenegro are like that.

theresa reason why montenegro didnt fall for the propaganda. and montenegro is very very hard to conquer/invade anyway, and not worth invading, theres next2nothing2gain.

I watched with my own eyes when commandant told his men that behind the hill in Konavli (i think) are 30 000 ustasha troops ready for the slaughter. When people heard that they wanted to stop that and went there to fight. That's falling for propaganda.

cetniks were the royal troops originally,at some time even nazi collaborateurs, the label is outdated, insulting and laughable.
dont label drakul a cetniks, that person absolutelly isnt one.
even if serbs wave the cccc coat,its these who want a monarchy back, its safe2say this wont happen anytime soon.
the ustasa,tough, theyre a 100% nazi invention and the assholes waving U flags, are exactly that, neonazis. youre being lenient here, merely labeling them just extremists.

Chetniks and ustashas were allies with nazis and italians. Truth is that ustashas were known allies from the beginning. Chetniks were candidates for allies of england and usa, but when allies discovered who chetniks are, they rather allied with Tito.

I dont know whats your view on extremists, but i find them all very dangerous. Chetniks or ustashas or mujahedins. Those are people who prefere ideology and nationalism over humanity

and yes, there was serbs first, croats gained national identity when?
granted by whom?
Fact is, Croats egzist. Are they here longer than Serbs. I dont know. Some people say that Croats are older than Serbs (who are in fact converted Croats), others say that Serbs are older than Croats (who are converted Serbs)... my opinion is, Romans were here before all of us ;)

croats are historically notorious sellouts and it never did them well.
a foking good example how much sellouts they are is when partizans conquered(empty,lol)zagreb and the croats(ww2 im talking here)SERIOUSLY tought the british would re-arm them(nazis bitches untill that day,no joke)at bleiburg.
un-foking-believeable.

You are generalizing again. As a Croat i'm ashamed of that part of history (NDH). My grandfather was killed in Jasenovac because he didn't agree with NDH politics. All of my ancestors who lived during the war joined partisans to fight for freedom or die. When partisans entered in Zagreb, there were no enemies because they were running for their lives (ustashas along with chetniks went towards west to be saved, but they were fu**ed on Bleiburg).

Its easy to get balkan people into fight. There was too many killings in the past wich makes excellent material for strong propaganda

d9d9d9
30-01-2010, 11:39 AM
I must say I never met any homos when I was out there HADA :D

Soooo.... I guess you haven't been in Belgrade?
That's like "The World Capital of Homosexuality". Only they're hiding behind big beards, knives and macho attitudes ( just like Hadabusa and Drakul).

:D

hadabusa
30-01-2010, 01:11 PM
I must say I never met any homos when I was out there HADA :D

"theres no homos in the balkans "


jk:D

entrangermercenary
30-01-2010, 01:16 PM
Soooo.... I guess you haven't been in Belgrade?
That's like "The World Capital of Homosexuality". Only they're hiding behind big beards, knives and macho attitudes ( just like Hadabusa and Drakul).

:D


I think If I had been in Belgrade it would of been to have been paraded on TV.
The nice Mr Karadzic put a 12000 deutschmark bounty on our heads (dead or alive btw) ;) :D

hadabusa
30-01-2010, 01:19 PM
Soooo.... I guess you haven't been in Belgrade?
That's like "The World Capital of Homosexuality". Only they're hiding behind big beards, knives and macho attitudes ( just like Hadabusa and Drakul).

:D

frankly, belgrade was the only city wordwide to violently shut down a ghay parade.
its true,theres been fags, that day when you paraded for gay rights.

didnt go well.

razbijanje gej parade u Beogradu!!! - YouTube

entrangermercenary
30-01-2010, 01:21 PM
You sound like extreme Serbian (chetnik/četnik). It's same as Croatian or any other extremists. For you there is only one side of the story, and that's Serbian side. People like you are being easily manipulated by nationalist and religious propaganda.



This total propaganda bullshit. In Croatia, Ustashe (Croatian extremists) tell a different story. That Serbs are converted Croats manipulated by Orthodox curch and Russia. :)

In 1990., Serbs in Krajina were told that NDH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_State_of_Croatia) ideology is rising and that Croats will do Jasenovac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp) all over again

On other side, Croats were told that Serbs are preparing attack on Croatia to form the Greater Serbia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Serbia)

In Montenegro, they told people that over 30000 ustasha troops in Dubrovnik armed to teeth are ready to kill all that's not Croatian... there were about 300 local defenders :)
That is typical manipulation through propaganda.


Which conflict was this the last one or ww2 ??

hadabusa
30-01-2010, 01:45 PM
ne serem ;)



Don't generalize. Thats is one of the problems. Not all people in Montenegro are like that.


I dont know whats your view on extremists, but i find them all very dangerous. Chetniks or ustashas or mujahedins. Those are people who prefere ideology and nationalism over humanity


Fact is, Croats egzist. Are they here longer than Serbs. I dont know. Some people say that Croats are older than Serbs (who are in fact converted Croats), others say that Serbs are older than Croats (who are converted Serbs)... my opinion is, Romans were here before all of us ;)



You are generalizing again. As a Croat i'm ashamed of that part of history (NDH). My grandfather was killed in Jasenovac because he didn't agree with NDH politics. All of my ancestors who lived during the war joined partisans to fight for freedom or die. When partisans entered in Zagreb, there were no enemies because they were running for their lives (ustashas along with chetniks went towards west to be saved, but they were fu**ed on Bleiburg).

Its easy to get balkan people into fight. There was too many killings in the past wich makes excellent material for strong propaganda

first off, thanks for civil discussion, youre very reasonable and decent(unlike majmum d9), this is the only way2discuss things wo westeners saying "see?all violent jugo animals".
if thered been more like you, war wouldnt be possible.
its kinda sad to see a region with well educated ppl go2war over stupid things, we all got short temper:)

cept d9,he has his wires crossed.

ok, yes not all CG ppl are like that,but the vast majority.i find it bad,btw.

theres been little war in cg(mostly natobombs,lol), so ill skip that matter(and rest where we agree).

ctnks,i merely asked you to not label drakul a cedo, he isnt one.

fair point ,romans been there before.
lol,tough albanians claim its all theirs,theyre descendents of illyrs<haha.
:D

yes,i find it heroic that croats joined partizans asa they heard pavelic sold out the coast, def not all were ustase.

d9d9d9
30-01-2010, 04:21 PM
Getting bored by hadabusa's disinfo talk ... :rolleyes: so here's few more pictures of David Icke in Croatia...

David Icke megasession, Zagreb (Croatia) , 23.05.2009

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=406&pictureid=3771


More pictures of David Icke in Croatia: LINK (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/album.php?albumid=406&pictureid=3771)







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janhus
30-01-2010, 08:42 PM
Which conflict was this the last one or ww2 ??

in the last one

entrangermercenary
30-01-2010, 11:14 PM
in the last one

In Montenegro, they told people that over 30000 ustasha troops in Dubrovnik armed to teeth are ready to kill all that's not Croatian... there were about 300 local defenders



Well they must have been pretty stupid to believe that 1 . Saw a few of the black uniforms not many tho, and the HQ in Zagreb the last time I saw it was a bit of a mess due to a fire fight between the MUP and Ustasha . That was during the last conflict btw :)

bradstone
24-05-2010, 10:10 PM
Get a life... Or even better, get a brain. You sound like a Milosevic' propaganda troll machine, lol.

You are totally brainwashed. American by any chance?

Get back to the New York Times.

flyermay
24-05-2010, 10:20 PM
I am interested in reading up on the true origins and effects of the NWO in Yugoslavia and Kosovo...Alex Jones was talking about it yesterday on his show and seemed really interesting.

It's hard to find anything that goes further than the official line...Anyone got any links?

Thanks:D

Very interesting line of research. You will be surprised about you're going to find in this lecture.

This is Michael Parenti's video on Yugoslavia (he is not a conspiracy theoriest by the way, he is a PhD, political analyst, lecturer and writer).

http://www.youtube.com/v/GEzOgpMWnVs

flyermay
24-05-2010, 10:22 PM
Very interesting line of research. You will be surprised about you're going to find in this lecture.

This is Michael Parenti's video on Yugoslavia (he is not a conspiracy theoriest by the way, he is a PhD, political analyst and writer).

http://www.youtube.com/v/GEzOgpMWnVs

Can't post this video, here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/v/GEzOgpMWnVs

shocked
25-03-2011, 04:06 PM
I must say i read tons of trash here... the biggest one are: croats don't exist, croats speak "serbian", and serbians were just poor people defending themselves in the 90's... what???? I sujest if you have such a shallow knowledge on the balcains that you rather remain silent than speak on this subject... TBH I don't even know where to begin with in correcting these statements... the historical documents (written in stone) of croats as both nation and people date back a thousand years ago. "croats don't exist" and "serbs don't exist" are both ridiculous and facist ideologies that each side's facists tried to use to discredit the other nationality... the Kingdom of Croatia had it's peak in the 12th centuary, also pretty much common knowledge to a more educated individual... croats occupied these land's back in the middle of the 7'th centuary, serbs occupied the balcains around 50 years later, in the long run, an insignificant time difference between the 2 peoples arrival on these lands. since croatia took the lands to the west croat's were indoctrinated by the catholic church and serbs by the orthodox.... later croatia fell under Hungarian domination discuised as an alliance, wich turned into Austro-Hungarian Monarchy in time, and we kept our identity tho we have been invaded by other forces such as turks, venetian and others wich has effected arhitecture and other art forms on such regions...
as for the language many slavic languages are similar, but since croatia had many different dialects and versions of the language wich developed trough the time, some parts of creating the artificial "common" language were taken out of serbian, so no croatien region would be undermined and another sujested as a superior one. even tho serbian and croatien were similar even before that.
in ww2 croatia has declaired an independent state (tho it was just a nazi marionete state) with fasitic ideology's and commited crimes on serbs, jews and gipsy's, (even without a nazi state, serbian had fasists [cetnici] that felt the same way about croats). there were alot more croats and serbs in partisans (liberating army) than among facists... after SFR Yugoslavia was founded all croat nazi's were executed and the victorius side doubled the number (if not tripled) of the nazi victims... funny thing is, Ante Pavelic, leader of Ustase (croatien nazis) was obsessed with hounting down freemasons... so i kinda doubt in many information from that part of our history
after Tito's death it all went downhill tho... Serbian nationalism began to grow, the dream of great Serbia once again started inspiring Serbians and after awhile the other nations started separating. the Illuminati succeded in breaking the Sovereign state that was a thorn in their eye for awhile...
Commiting a genocide in slavonia and vukovar on women and children IS NOT defence. not to mention the songs like: Slobo (slobodan milosevic) just send us salat, we have meat we are sloughtering croats, you may find this charming song and many other on youtube...
btw not so suprised a montenegrian supports the idea that croats dont exist considering when they took a former territory of croatia called Boka Kotorska they hammered all the stone symbols of croatian identity or catholic on all buildings and churches...
in short, this is not the same situation as israel at all, where khazarians that call themselves jews just started invading other peoples territory out of nowhere, croats were here for awhile... is this a shitty sold out nation? yes it is... so is serbia... we have both been manipulated but don't fu*king flame my people if you are clueless... If you support slaughtering of croats (or serbs or muslims) in these events or simply don't care becouse it supports your own opinions for what should world be like and how it should look you are no different than the Illuminati.
I apologise for my grammar and spelling mistakes, I can hide the accent and all but when it comes to writing down or typing in English i easily get confused :(
I also hope I didn't insult anyone, it was not my intention, even tho I was insulted by certain statements made here. I hope you all have a nice day and try not to form opinions on subjects like these unless you atleast have some basic info. Thank you.

hadabusa
25-03-2011, 05:01 PM
shocked, good post, but a bit biased.

i take it you're croat(friendly).


will adress later.

shocked
25-03-2011, 05:09 PM
shocked, good post, but a bit biased.

i take it you're croat(friendly).


will adress later.

yes I am, and i hope you are not offended when i mentioned you, I admit I was a bit upset at the moment. still if I am biased, I am not the only one from what I read. And yes, I am a Croat, proud to be one, and absurd ideas like Croats are Serbians pisses me off... I can't belive cetnik ideologies infected people from other nations...

john devine
25-03-2011, 05:37 PM
http://history.nasa.gov/NP-119/p24.jpg


picture reminds me of The Truman Show movie as well as Eden, Babylon and my science laboratory. :)

hadabusa
25-03-2011, 05:54 PM
yes I am, and i hope you are not offended when i mentioned you, I admit I was a bit upset at the moment. still if I am biased, I am not the only one from what I read. And yes, I am a Croat, proud to be one, and absurd ideas like Croats are Serbians pisses me off... I can't belive cetnik ideologies infected people from other nations...
no problem.

look, im no nationalist, i find both ustase+cetniks ridiculous and assbackwards.but my family were mostly partisans so i might appear bit biased myself.

my whole point here was to state serbs been portrayed as the only evil party during the war.
wich simply is not the whole story.
i wasnt defending serbs and surely not spreading cetnik propaganda, im so anti monarchy, its crazy to assume i sympathize with cetniks.

this stated, lets analize your post segment by segment.

the civil wars in 90s.
ALL partys did attrocities on civilians.
serbs did ugly things in northeast croatia, croats returned the favor in krajina.
theres really no need to have argumentation on the matter, it'll run in circles both throwing counter arguments at eachother.
its tiresome, i simply considered myself a yugoslav, i never had bad opinions on muslims,croats,serbs.

before war broke out, ppl suddenly approached me asking me "you cetnik or ustasa?"

guess what, man, i didnt even know what that is.
school avoided the topic, tito govt suppressed such talk, my whole family was always saying"lets not talk ww2 and leave it behind".

then suddenly everyone was part of some group, i was confused, never patronized.
i slowly realized yugoslavia is falling apart, there was no stopping it.
nationalism had resurrected an immense amount of hate between what i seen as brothers.
but apparently, now everyone was proud of his grand-grand-grand ancestors heritage.

ill continue in 5mins, hope this clears up my position on the issue.

shocked
25-03-2011, 06:46 PM
hadabusa, i can understand your wievpoint, bad drakul and mara pissed me off especially... mara doesn't know shit what she's/he's talking about and drakul seems cetnik oriented to me, all in all its not a "croats got bored and made war" or some 50/50 blame scenario... the serbs are the main reason yugoslavia was destroyed (them being heavily manipulated by the masonery), croats in alot lesser amount (tho franjo tudjman was a puppet as well). and i will not tolerate us being considered guilty about this one, especially after the atrocities wich were comited on the territory of croatia by the serbs...
if i could remind some of you what may be an intriguing or interesting topic to you was a painfull reality to other human beings, i am glad and happy i lived and still live in the northweastern croatia and never lived trough such crimes, but i grew up in times where the fear disapointment and bitter feelings were felt everyvere on a national lvl and excuse me if i can't stand when someone from another country that is clueless symphatises the serbian part of the story... belgrade had protests against the war only when they started losing big time.
I repeat, these people weren't defending Yugoslavia they openly braged they are planing to create great serbia. Not saying all serbs supported it. But the majority did!

hadabusa
25-03-2011, 07:02 PM
ok, ill continue.

brate nisi trebo cijeli text na jednom, bole oci

:D

yes ofc croats and serbs existed since 8th century(lets not go back further, bc frankly, its meaningless imo).
croats started2dukedoms+got christinized over 2centurys, means even then, there been rulers imposing ideologys back then.
was like that before croatia, all through its history until 90s, the last step in recent history.
mind you, i wish them well, but more important, all3war partys have same corrupt govts today+ population isnt better off imo.

fuck, got guests, sry, will continue laters.

:cool:

soleil
25-03-2011, 07:10 PM
I must say i read tons of trash here... the biggest one are: croats don't exist,

Welcome to the DI forums where the British don't exist either.

Don't take it personally!

air_bn
25-03-2011, 10:24 PM
Subbing thanks for the info:)

hadabusa
26-03-2011, 09:48 PM
hadabusa, i can understand your wievpoint, bad drakul and mara pissed me off especially... mara doesn't know shit what she's/he's talking about and drakul seems cetnik oriented to me, all in all its not a "croats got bored and made war" or some 50/50 blame scenario... the serbs are the main reason yugoslavia was destroyed (them being heavily manipulated by the masonery), croats in alot lesser amount (tho franjo tudjman was a puppet as well). and i will not tolerate us being considered guilty about this one, especially after the atrocities wich were comited on the territory of croatia by the serbs...
if i could remind some of you what may be an intriguing or interesting topic to you was a painfull reality to other human beings, i am glad and happy i lived and still live in the northweastern croatia and never lived trough such crimes, but i grew up in times where the fear disapointment and bitter feelings were felt everyvere on a national lvl and excuse me if i can't stand when someone from another country that is clueless symphatises the serbian part of the story... belgrade had protests against the war only when they started losing big time.
I repeat, these people weren't defending Yugoslavia they openly braged they are planing to create great serbia. Not saying all serbs supported it. But the majority did!

little correction/addition if i may.

drakul is ok, man, znaj da taj poster nije zivio u jugi, no u SAD'u, pa ipak i barem se zanima odakle je po reklu, naravno da ce "pasti" na jednu ili propaganda foru.

mara is just daft.

you said all croat nazis been murdered(exaggeration), but didnt mention jasenovac.

milosevic is guilty of centralizing power to serbia, but tudman domestic policy wasnt any better.both been assholes.

as for songs, theres croat songs which are just as bad.

just stating, for balance sake.

hey,hey, montengro predecessors had kingdom on kotor long before croats existed, im saying this as kinda joke-ish, being bit sarcastic about how long back should we look in history to define culture?

for me, the partisan uprising and following unity was last significant spot in balkan history which pretty much meant a new start for all, defaulting significance of what was before.

well, untill titos death, it worked ok, but times change.

btw, its worth mentioning first partisan unit was croatian, respect.

btw, my montengro loyality only goes so far, sfrj was harsh on them+ i say rightfully so.
look up what titos jewish advisor moshe pijade had planed for montengro cetniks(which im not, btw).


cheers, man, your english is better then many american ppls

and i mean, didnt you read my signature?

lizzyking
26-03-2011, 10:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf-MA705TCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf-MA705TCA.

lizzyking
26-03-2011, 10:18 PM
in 1989, in the midst of a windstorm, leslie pluhar was driving across the mackinac bridge, which joins the upper and lower peninsulas of the state of michigan. Apparently concerned by the weather, she stopped her tiny yugo on the bridge - a fatal mistake, for the car was caught by the gale and thrown 150 feet into the strait below.

http://www.nysun.com/arts/how-to-build-a-better-bridge/3232/

lmao



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1FPYJ95ZjM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1FPYJ95ZjM

bosgeus
04-06-2011, 12:47 AM
I know several sources for the clerical fascism subject.
http://emperors-clothes.com/croatia/stepinac1.htm
Emperor's cloth's is underground journalism, that has made many interviews around the subject. Interviews with the lawyer of Milosovic I would read there. Lot's of interesting interviews. With the names of the journalists, you can finds more information.
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/
A website containing much information, made and maintained by Americans from Serbian descent.
http://www.reformation.org/holocaus.html
The Vatican's Holocaust, by Avro Manhattan. In that book you will find the real agenda also about the war in the 1990's from an employee from the British Secret service. Destroying Yugoslavia in order to create the Roman Catholic state of Croatia, was started in the Second World War by the Ustashi.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Genocide_in_satellite_Croatia_1941_1945.html?id=KP _SAAAAMAAJ
Genocide in satellite Croatia, 1941-1945, by Edmond Paris. Contains similar information as the Avro Manhattan book. Haven't read it yet myself this one.
I would understand the war in Yugoslavia since the 1990's, after reading the Avro Manhattan book. The real agenda behind that war is very easy to understand, but is kept secret and lied about in all media on the planet. Therefor it is an important question. In my country, I know of a journalist, who lost her job, after she would leak some information about the war in Yugoslavia. The answer I give you is very much suppressed, and when looking into this material, you will understand:
That the truth about this war is suppressed
That all sources I gave you, have been tried to be censored
That Bill Clinton was a covert Roman Catholic
Who the illuminati really are. Under Spartacus, as the Jesuits would name Adam Weishaupt SJ.
That I hope that David Icke will wake up some day, and stops giving so much attention to the reptilian non-issue, and goes understand that Roman Catholicism runs the media. Satanic Ritual Abuse was done by the Roman Catholic inquisition, and I did not find any Reptilians but did find forgeries portraying them. Here is one:
http://reflectionsinthenight.com/

For more info on Bill Clinton, President while Serbia was bombed and WACO gatherings killed out, watch the Clinton Chronicles. The Clinton Bodycount is also a good source for information on this Jesuit trained papist.
http://alamoministries.com/content/english/Antichrist/nazigallery/photogallery.html
http://alamoministries.com/content/english/Antichrist/nazigallery/communion.jpg
I would also want to warn, that the owner of the last linked website, Tony Alamo, is put in jail on false charges since 2008. Many whistle blowers are jail, while these whistle blowers would better be a chairman on congress or Governor, because they have a higher morality than average. NATO only kills for the pope. Keeping it silent that Adam Weishaupt SJ was still a member of the Jesuit Order when the Illuminati where exposed in Bavaria, it looks to me like a criminal act. But maybe it keeps people safe, the RC Church is many times more powerful than most people realize.

Mo0n5tar
04-06-2011, 02:01 AM
Slavoj Zizek would be a good source
http://www.egs.edu/faculty/slavoj-zizek/articles/nato-the-left-hand-of-god/

http://libcom.org/library/against-the-double-blackmail-zizek

bosgeus
04-06-2011, 02:48 AM
(them being heavily manipulated by the masonery)Maybe I must apologize for not reading all 10 pages, before posting the previous post on the subject. As a new source, I should mention this thread on the David Icke forum, because I would learn what Chetnics means, that I didn't understand before, but was asked about by a veteran under Soldiers of Furtune under Tudman.

Introducing myself:
I live in the Netherlands, where Serbs-only are waiting for a trial. Milosovic was poisoned, maybe you know that. By Catholics. It is clear to me from this thread, that the people in the Balkan do not understand what is being played out over their backs. I have met several Croats on the web, that look to me as nice people, but will be shocked by the truth. The truth is, that I know of Milosovic having been a Freemason from a whistle blowing Dutch Freemason, and I agree with a post I saw made by some one else, that Freemasonry is the way Chetnics are controlled. When Adolph Hitler was in power, he and all dictators where Roman Catholics, except for the Dictators of Norway and the Dictators of Holland. Here is a list found in the book by Fritz Thyssen on the subject.
http://bosgeus.punt.nl/upload/10/02-14-200702_09_00PM.gif
The truth about the Second World war is, that is was a Holy inquisition on enemies of the Holy Roman Empire. A war around the Bible. The Bible as we know it in USA, Britain and most countries in Northern Europe where NATO is from, was given to us by refugees from Byzantium, when it was sacked by the Muslims in 1453. Heil Ceasar was used to address the military leader of the the Roman Empire, Das Reich, Ave Hitler. Islam was set up by Rome, because Roman Catholicism was not succesful in Arab countries. Islam would also convert many Jews. Islam, the sword of the Roman Catholic Church, was used to kill Christians. But once Jeruzalem was conquered by Islam, Islam would rebel against the pope. All reformers in the 16th century would name the pope the antichrist, Martin would even write a book with that Title. John Calvin as a bit more civil intellectual, would address the pope as the romanist antichrist.

Doesn't matter what religion the reader is, because Martin Luther and John Calvin where former Roman Catholics. Truth is what matters here. The point of Reformation in the 16th century, was that Byzantium was sacked in 1453, the Patriarchate of Byzantium would move to Moscow, that we know today as the Moscow Patriarchate. But this patriarchate is described in the Bible, as the Christians of Antioch. Therefor, the Moscow Patriarchate can find it's foundations in the Bible, while Rome can not. When we look up Rome in the Bible, we find the murderers of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was a Jew.

Now when Byzantium was sacked, intellectuals from that city, would bring the textus receptus, that is the real text behind the Bible, to Northern Europe. There it was brought in universities, and Diderius Erasmus from Rotterdam would translate these Greek texts into Latin, getting that translation printed into a book where one could compare the original translated text, to the official Bible of the Roman Catholic Church: Jerome's Vulgata. When reading the real text next to the Roman Translated text, every one would see, that the Roman Catholics had falsified the Bible. This is still visible in the statues in the Vatican, where we see Moses with horns, while this looks very ridiculous when reading the book of Exodus. Moses was a normal man, just like you and me, and did not have horns.
http://cdn.mqstatic.com/files/truthcontrol/imagecache/page/images/3717.jpg

I also would want to say, that the other people in my country are ignorant towards the real backgrounds behind the wars in the Balkans. I would give you some sources I had to go through to get some understanding, new visitors might also want to read the previous pages in this thread, in order to increase their understanding of the ignorance of not only the people in my country, but also the ignorance people in former Yugoslavia themselves towards Jesus Christ. The real history on the Second World War is best described by Edmond Paris, in the book "Secret History of the Jesuits". With ignorance I mean "Zionism", any one knowing a bit more about this subject will ask: What kind of Zionism are you referring to?

That Islam was set up by the Romanists, can be found by using common sense, where we see Virgin Mary mentioned more often in the Quran than Jesus Christ. A Typical fingerprint left behind there. Also by more comparisons of the Quran with the Bible. Several prophets are not mentioned, while prophet in the Qurun are blasphemously named "good people", instead as prophets. The Quran was written after Mohammed died. Over here is cartoon that described how Rome created Islam:
http://www.chick.com/reading/comics/0117/theprophetindex.asp
Kadija was your typical widow. And here we see how priests even have secret instructions to steal the fortunes of Widows.
http://www.reformation.org/secret.html

bosgeus
04-06-2011, 06:00 AM
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4208/belgrade.gif (http://www.reformation.org/jesuits-control-pentagon.html)
http://www.reformation.org/jesuits-control-pentagon.html

hadabusa
04-06-2011, 09:34 AM
Slavoj Zizek would be a good source
http://www.egs.edu/faculty/slavoj-zizek/articles/nato-the-left-hand-of-god/

http://libcom.org/library/against-the-double-blackmail-zizek

zizek is funny, but other than that, a coked up cretin.

he says good things sometimes, but hes insane.

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